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researcher and you're listening to that

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast as always my name is andy and

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joining me this week isn't dan dan has a

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prior engagement he's on max's podcast

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i can't pronounce maxi sunlin with any

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level of justice graham um i've got

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graeme rendell with me from uap media

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colleague and friend graham how we doing

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i'm doing fine andy how are you tonight

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i am very very

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well so i've got graham on the pod with

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me for your news update for the week

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podcast vinnie who is now part of uap

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evening so we're letting him have the

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night off and graham is sitting in

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intelligence and and brains and

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knowledge on this one graham aren't we

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well well let's see shall we

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uh well listen graeme have you got any

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books coming out today or anything like

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twitter when it's ready for people to uh

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to buy it and read it

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world war ii foo fighters uh ufos before

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minicon 2021 as part of at ufo identify

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abductions ufos grazing consciousness

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touch and if you've went on and got your

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tickets already if not uh go on to ufo

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identify dot co dot uk forward slash

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minicon and you can get your tickets

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nice and early as well and it'll be good

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to get to see some people face to face

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extraterrestrials will be my next guest

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angeli who has made some headlines on on

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the social media recently after her

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press conference has also agreed very

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kindly to come on and discuss that and

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more uh people have been getting in

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touch still and asking me what i think

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about it and everything and

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speak to her first uh person to person

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do the interview and then can i see

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interesting approach and i am intrigued

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to talk at one-on-one just to find out

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come on and i'll be announcing the date

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for that in due course as well lots

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coming up on top of that the usual news

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so email ufo uap am gmail.com to book a

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slot for that and just put listener call

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subject so i can find out um or keep an

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eye on social media for those slots

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opening up i'll all around shows and due

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get early access to dates and times as

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well but i do like to hear new voices so

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please do get in touch a few of you have

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done that already and i've kept those

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aside for the next call-in

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few

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graham let's crack on with our first

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piece on the newspaper we've got a few

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things to talk about we're going to be

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delving into obviously skyhub closing

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down we're going to discuss uh frank

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kendall who is the secretary of the us

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air force's comments and we're also

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going to discuss the osd briefing card q

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a particularly as well but the first

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things first we had the making contact

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conference that was organized by mark

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sims and had a host of speakers

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including loyola zondo danny sheehan

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richard dolan and others appearing as

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well obviously it's good to get past the

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talk of pricing and should or should

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these things be as expensive as they are

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when they're virtual and everything else

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and just get into the actual conference

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a lot happened i've not managed to catch

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up with it all yet john mark just done a

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great job transcribing um so i recommend

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people check out has video blogs and

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blogs and transcripts and everything

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themselves but uh we want to talk graham

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about some comments louie lozando made

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as part of his what was your overall

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thoughts on what you've heard or seen

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from the conference yourself

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yeah i mean i must admit i haven't

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actually sort of listened to all of it

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yet and i've only

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really concentrated on luella's on those

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uh sort of pieces because they seem to

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me to be the most interesting and uh you

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know most newsworthy uh sort of uh parts

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of the actual conference that's just a

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personal sort of uh viewpoint and there

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was there was a few things to pick up on

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uh he goes into um you know what where

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much of the the uap interest started and

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he talks about the late 1940s obviously

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with with roswell and then he basically

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says it started a lot of the

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conversation uh but it was a it was more

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of a difficult time because it was you

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know it was just after world war ii and

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things were changing in the world it was

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like an atomic age uh that didn't look

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locked the secrets of the atom that it

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uh it was a revolution for mankind you

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know for good up for bad um there was a

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space race going on so there were there

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was challenges in that way um you know

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things were constantly evolving

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sociologically because there was all

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these kind of growth periods and um you

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know generations where it just seemed to

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be sort of going really quickly rather

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than

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in the past where

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um sort of sociological changes would

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take sort of sometimes decades or

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centuries to to to be enacted things

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were changing every five minutes almost

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so you had um yeah you had like women's

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rights certainly being i think black

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rights being a thing um there was

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changes in music tastes fashion tastes

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um you know there was different types of

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wars or lower level wars like vietnam uh

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there was a threat of nuclear war there

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was a whole load of things that people

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had to contend with so upheavals in

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society to a to a degree there was a lot

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going on but then in the same token

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you're going to be in the air force and

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you've got a gen your generals hearing

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these things are around but they're not

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ours um the russians already went

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through that because he said because

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they the americans were flying things

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over russia in the 1960s but that they

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didn't know what they were they thought

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they were americans but they couldn't do

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anything about them and now that kind of

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role has been reversed the americans are

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now dealing with things they don't

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understand or haven't got a clue how to

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defeat but they're flying around all

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their their you know their sensitive

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areas um

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you know and lou says do they have the

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time

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graham let me ask you no yeah i just

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want to comment on that so that i i

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thought that was an interesting comment

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and it's one that people no doubt might

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have had their backs up a little bit on

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you know generals and and those in the

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military not understanding that this

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really advanced technology flying around

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isn't russian

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not it's not an adversarial technology

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let's just say that and it's not it's

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not u.s technology so they sort of box

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that off as we don't care because

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it shouldn't really be an issue it

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should be ours or it shouldn't be theirs

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so they just don't deal with it do you

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understand though as someone who does

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look into these things sometimes as well

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from an aviation point of view or you

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know that kind of

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you can see the military point of view

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do you see why they do look at it that

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way

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i think i think there's two strands to

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that i think they are desperate to know

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what they are

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if they don't know already because the

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last thing they want to do is admit an

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intelligence failure because that's a

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potential weakness from an adversary if

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they know that there's a problem with

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you know the kind of uh collecting uh an

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information on something that's flying

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around then that is a potential weakness

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that if it gets out that knowledge then

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another country can think oh yeah well

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there's an avenue for us to start sort

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of spying on them so at the very least

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so you've got that that you know that's

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one strand but the intelligence um you

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know they have the military and

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intelligence world have always been very

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low to admit failure

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in a lot of things it's just a mindset

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they have so they're not going to come

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round to people and say yeah we don't

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know what these are you know the the in

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the death in the background they're

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desperately trying to work out what it

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is but on the on the kind of public face

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it's oh there's nothing to see here

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that's the easier way to do it rather

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than admit there's a failure they'll

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just say it's not much of a problem or

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there's no problem or it's just

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something else rather than actually say

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you know we don't know what they are we

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don't know what to do with them and we

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can't combat them we can't stop them

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doing what they're doing

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yeah that's an interesting one when we

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talk about those intelligence failures

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because we've heard a few times comments

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from

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various different channels that this

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subject could be a huge intelligence

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failure on the levels of if not greater

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than you know something like 911 which

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is a very emotive subject a very emotive

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experience in time for people um but it

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could potentially be absolutely huge um

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lou mentioned obviously the talk was

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split into yesterday today and tomorrow

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and the it talks about today as and you

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know that relatively where we're at

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right now and again he mentioned that

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the last three years there was the

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release of the videos and the dod

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authentication of them there's been

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briefings in congress with a lot of

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compelling data coming out which i know

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people will be shouting give us the data

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we're not going to get that data folks

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unless it leaks you know and it's one of

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those can i hold tight for that

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happening hopefully and because we've

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still never saw anything of the the

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classified section of that uep task

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force report yet

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and i i say yeah with my fingers crossed

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and we've got elected officials

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championing the cause

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presidents admitting to being briefed

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about ufos that's something we've kind

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of heard in the past but it's always

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nice to hear that and and reaffirmed and

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even graham's something i always i

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always enjoyed and it seems to have

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calmed down a lot since then because so

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much again is happening and right now

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afghanistan's dominating the news

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quite rightly sewn up from a global

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point of view

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that we were having

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press briefings in the white house where

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journalists were finally asking about

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ufos and new aps some of them caveating

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their questions with i can't believe i'm

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asking about this but

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and it's just i think a natural thing

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that we got to the top of that news

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cycle in the peak of that news cycle and

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the report was about to come out and it

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came out and it kind of died off a

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little bit and i think that right now we

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have no chance given what's going on

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with covid and afghanistan particularly

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in any international news cycle to hear

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much if at all about ufos or uaps but i

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think the next time we do have a chance

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to see that come back into the thinking

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of reporters will be like lou mentions

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when that 90-day report

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comes out and that update uh to you know

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the senate and congress and those who'll

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be involved in that do you think we're

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going to hear much more when we do get

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that update

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be classified personally um i haven't

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seen anything that says there's going to

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be a public element to it but we never

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know they may bring something out just

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to forestall any kind of media or public

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inquiries into what is in this

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intermediary 90 day report

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in terms of the news cycle you know

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there's so many competing things you

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talk about afghanistan but you've still

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got covid and there are you know climate

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change uh there's there's still you know

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inequality kind of issues around the

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world there's a whole load of things

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which are competing for news uh you know

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spots on news programs in the top spot

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etc so it's a very very crowded kind of

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marketplace to shoehorn information

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about uaps into so i think you know the

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information that we got up to the end of

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um you know end of june was amazing how

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how much it actually permeated the the

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the average news cycle it was it was

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like i can't i can't even remember a

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time like that in my life when that was

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that was the case but you're right after

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the preliminary report it all just died

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away but then again we haven't had any

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sort of drip feed of of real kind of

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information wouldn't get our teeth into

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like we did on the run-up to that we've

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had some things little bits and pieces

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but they've not been on the scale of

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when we had you know on the run-up to

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that report so unless that kicks off

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again and p and people keep saying

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jeremy corbell you know has information

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still locked away which he you know for

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whatever reason you can't get out there

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well that might be the case but maybe

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this is the time when you should start

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releasing some of it if you can but

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there might be reasons why you can't of

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course but you would like to think that

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some other people out there might be

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00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:39,840
able to release some bits and pieces

544
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:41,919
which just move us along a bit more as

545
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:44,000
well and get us talking about it and get

546
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,240
the news talking about it rather than

547
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:48,000
what it seems at least just using

548
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:50,000
twitter as a small kind of

549
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:52,000
a snapshot of what's happening everybody

550
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:53,600
just seems to be at azure's throats at

551
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,440
the moment rather than concentrating on

552
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:57,440
what we're all campaigning towards if

553
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:58,799
you like

554
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:00,799
yeah there's been a bit of a vacuum or

555
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:03,600
void of of major news or leaks of videos

556
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:05,919
and and it has caused that you're right

557
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:07,600
that there's people just grasping for

558
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:09,120
straws or trying to create news

559
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:11,200
themselves and it's one of those you

560
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,799
just have to sit back and kind of let

561
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,640
them let them go on with it and it's

562
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:16,080
just kind of filtering through the

563
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,600
static to get to the good stuff because

564
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:19,200
there are there are bits of news out

565
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:20,559
there and some of those we're going to

566
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:22,799
touch on within this news report itself

567
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:25,679
um lou then mentioned that really more

568
00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:27,440
importantly and by the way if you

569
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:28,960
haven't looked at this yourself or

570
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:31,200
followed joe morgier's updates then you

571
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:33,280
can even go to reddit and there is a

572
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,559
huge uh thread on just lou's notes from

573
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:38,080
the comments and that's what we're using

574
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:39,760
as well for notes for this so i

575
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:41,200
recommend people at least go and check

576
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:43,280
that out as well i'll put the link in

577
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:45,200
the description for this show reminding

578
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,360
myself to do that mentally and i hope

579
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:49,360
hopefully i do if i don't just nudge me

580
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,880
on some kind of platform and tell me

581
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:52,240
andy you've not put that link in and

582
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,120
i'll get it sorted um but he mentioned

583
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,200
tomorrow is the most important thing as

584
00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:59,520
we look at this and and talks about how

585
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,240
we have evolved more in 200 years than

586
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,320
since the beginning of mankind and

587
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,840
that's that's an incredible way to look

588
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:07,679
at it but as we have discussed on the

589
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,159
podcast many times with different guests

590
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:12,640
um if if you thought of an iphone 100 or

591
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:15,200
200 years ago it would be pure magic

592
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:16,640
whereas now it's just science and

593
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,880
technology it's just advancement in

594
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:20,880
technology and

595
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:23,760
at one point what is magic now becomes

596
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:26,480
reality and a practical application you

597
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,880
know it just it blows your mind what we

598
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,480
have and some of the technology we're

599
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,159
going to have in 50 years time will no

600
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,880
doubt be mind blowing and mind expanding

601
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,559
again and that's what louis is trying to

602
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:38,559
get the point across there you know how

603
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:41,120
much more another species are 400 years

604
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,600
ahead of us or a million or 10 million

605
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,880
or a billion

606
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,400
if there's been that much time for

607
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,000
something to advance what would it look

608
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:50,320
like you know would it be technological

609
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,960
spiritual would it be conscious based

610
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,559
and he said we can all agree that if

611
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,240
there is something out there ahead of us

612
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:59,280
even by 100 years we might not even

613
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,640
recognize it

614
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,640
and i really like that he he says we

615
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,320
talk to cats and dogs and invest

616
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,000
emotions with them there's an emotional

617
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,559
relationship but as a human we don't

618
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:10,400
know but we sign anthropo

619
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,960
anthropomorphic characteristics anyway

620
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,799
we assign qualities to these things that

621
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:16,720
might not come from here at all and he's

622
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:18,880
talking about you know aliens or 80 or

623
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,679
uaps whatever they may be and and again

624
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:23,200
i've mentioned this before that everyone

625
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,480
boxes off but why would they be a threat

626
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,799
or why do they do this and it's like

627
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,480
that the why might not even be something

628
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:32,320
we can answer graham that that's just

629
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:34,400
the case isn't it yeah that's right i

630
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:35,840
mean everybody does assume human

631
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:38,240
characteristics to to animals uh you

632
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,919
know yes people talk to the dogs and

633
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,440
their cats as though they're you know

634
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,440
that they're a brother or a sister um

635
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,000
and the same goes with when we assign um

636
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,559
sort of motive uh an agenda to you know

637
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:50,799
to eat possibly tea

638
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:53,600
and it it's it's weird because you know

639
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,000
you see on on science fiction uh star

640
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,919
trek used to have a kind of common trope

641
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,200
where they would occasionally come

642
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,280
across life forms which had basically

643
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,360
evolved beyond a corporeal form so that

644
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,440
they're taking just like pure energy if

645
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,120
you like and that could be something

646
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,280
where you know where like um

647
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,520
a species evolves to so we might not as

648
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:13,039
i say it might not even recognize it

649
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,559
because it might not be it might be

650
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,880
invisible it it could be just a it could

651
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,480
be just a force it could be energy it

652
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:19,760
could be you know anything like that

653
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:21,039
which you can't actually touch or you

654
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,240
can't see um so and how do you then

655
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,720
assign a kind of human kind of label on

656
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,559
that it's something that we can't even

657
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,360
comprehend never mind understand so so

658
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,520
you know for us trying to put a label on

659
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,000
it just seems a bit daft really um but

660
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,000
that's the way we operate we you know

661
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,919
humanity's done that since time

662
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:41,679
immemorial we've always put our own

663
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:44,559
stamp on on other on on animals on other

664
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,000
societies um so why don't we

665
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:50,159
doing it to aliens is no different than

666
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:51,919
what we've done to uh other people and

667
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,640
other animals on on this planet so i'm

668
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:56,400
not surprised in the least

669
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:59,200
it's how we're programmed but i i think

670
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,640
we're going to come across something at

671
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,480
some stage which we're going to not have

672
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:05,039
a clue about and you of course in other

673
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,039
science fiction you see that as well

674
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:09,200
where the they're just humans come

675
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,080
across

676
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,640
um other races or other species or other

677
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,960
life forms which don't even look like

678
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,400
you know what we might think that

679
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,159
they're completely different and that's

680
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,840
the best science fiction because it

681
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,240
makes you think it's not just thinking

682
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:24,159
it's some bug-eyed monster or it's a

683
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,200
nordic um you know or it's a gray

684
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,760
it's it's likely just as much likely to

685
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:31,679
be something completely different and

686
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:34,320
completely outside our capability to

687
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:35,919
understand

688
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,919
absolutely um again it's always good to

689
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,600
hear lou talking especially in these

690
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,360
settings he can just

691
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,600
he always adds a little something and i

692
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,279
know there are people who always want to

693
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,120
hear luke come out and say exactly what

694
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,200
he knows and and everything else but

695
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,279
you've got to bide your time and again

696
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:53,039
personally i think he does a a really

697
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,039
good job and he's always always worth

698
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,200
hearing in any sort of setting so and

699
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:59,760
remember even caveat appearance by

700
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,320
saying he he took no money for appearing

701
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,720
um and you can go and listen to a

702
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,720
hundred luella zondo interviews now on

703
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,799
various different platforms and get a

704
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,120
really good background so um lewis still

705
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,360
has a lot of work and a lot of input to

706
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,600
to bring to this subject and i think

707
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,360
this is probably a good

708
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:19,679
summary of where he thinks we are at

709
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,240
currently and things will be moving

710
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,159
forward still as he said the train has

711
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:26,320
left the station and it's not going back

712
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:27,120
now

713
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,159
uh so yeah let's move on to um some sad

714
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:32,960
news to be honest because uh skyhub is

715
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,919
is closing down its us operations i'm

716
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:38,000
going to read out a statement from chris

717
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:39,200
cogswell

718
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:42,080
on that he said unfortunately skyhub

719
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,679
will be shutting down as a managed

720
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:46,080
project in the next few weeks initially

721
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,760
the goal was to create a project which

722
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,679
can live on past the existence of the

723
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:51,840
internal working group and we believe we

724
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,840
have achieved that however we do not

725
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:55,679
feel it is fair to prolong this decision

726
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,919
any further especially giving each of

727
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,240
you our strong support or each of your

728
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,000
strong support in the team

729
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,760
this comes about due to many different

730
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,080
issues including covid changes in

731
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,960
personal uh personnel on the project and

732
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:10,720
changes to the time available for each

733
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:13,279
of the core team members we simply don't

734
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,159
believe we can continue um as we have in

735
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:19,200
good faith so um it does go on to talk a

736
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,799
little bit more and basically say that

737
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,440
the discord chat for people who have

738
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,760
utilized sky hubs will still be open

739
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,159
that the software is going to remain

740
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,400
open source and open platform so anyone

741
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,240
can pick it up and anyone can still make

742
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,320
tweaks and and make it better and use it

743
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:36,880
going forward and that there is still

744
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,600
going to be some form of european team

745
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,400
uh that richard will be kind of keeping

746
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:44,000
going forward with that as well so we're

747
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,360
still waiting on some more information

748
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,760
coming out on top of that um it was good

749
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,360
of course again i give everyone that

750
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,000
statement uh steve mcdaniel who i

751
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,320
interviewed way back for the podcast in

752
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,159
its earlier days was one of those

753
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,400
members he resigned back in march

754
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,640
largely due to the the issues mentioned

755
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,640
there that you know his own personal

756
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,200
circumstances changed jobs changed

757
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,360
people went back to work after covert

758
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,760
started kind of waning and obviously we

759
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:11,200
know we're kind of going back up and

760
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,480
down depending where you live in the

761
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,720
world you know be safe everyone but

762
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,880
people's time just got a little bit less

763
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:18,720
so he had to leave as well but he is

764
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,760
working on a smaller scale project that

765
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,919
he hopes and will be more accessible to

766
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:26,080
people as well and we await kind of

767
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,600
further information about that but

768
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,080
graham i'm sad to see skyhub can i go

769
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,520
the way it did because it's a really

770
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:33,600
good idea but it is something that i

771
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,159
think still has has a place and one guys

772
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:37,919
or another what are your thoughts

773
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,880
no i agree yeah it's an amazing concept

774
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:42,559
for people to have thought about you

775
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:45,200
putting that into practice um so people

776
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,720
could just you know download the

777
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:48,960
software get the bits and pieces build

778
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:51,200
their own monitoring system if you like

779
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,600
to look you know to look for uap

780
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:55,760
and record information

781
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:58,399
it's a it's a wonderful concept i think

782
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,440
um

783
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:01,200
you know i suppose you could maybe argue

784
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,559
that there was a bit of overreach here

785
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:04,399
that they were expecting maybe too much

786
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,600
from people who

787
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,440
didn't have a lot of money and it was

788
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,200
only open to people who you know had

789
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,279
like say six hundred dollars minimum to

790
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:14,159
spend what 450 pounds or so to spend for

791
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,840
the the basic level kit um i know i know

792
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:18,960
they were talking about well you could

793
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:21,679
just pick it up you know bit by bit but

794
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:24,159
to me that that part of the concept

795
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,520
sounded a bit like you know those part

796
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,840
work magazines where you can build like

797
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:30,320
a model sailing ship um and you get the

798
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,440
first installments at like two hours

799
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,679
they just see that yeah yeah so then you

800
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,520
get you get a couple of parts

801
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,200
and then the next like three or four

802
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:42,080
issues are the same price 2.99 and you

803
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:43,679
you can get you build like probably the

804
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,159
keel of the of the sailing ship but then

805
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,399
you have to realize there's another 16

806
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:50,880
56 parts that you've got to then pay

807
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,120
about seven pounds each for and you get

808
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,080
one bit of the ship for each one so it

809
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:58,159
to me it all seemed a bit like that that

810
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:59,440
you were going to spend a hell of a lot

811
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:02,080
of money but until you spent it all you

812
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,360
weren't going to see anything that you

813
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:05,200
could you could actually use in any

814
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,559
meaningful way

815
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,640
and for people like me who don't have a

816
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,799
huge amount of money to rub together

817
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,399
it was just beyond me

818
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,600
even the basic level i'm afraid was you

819
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:17,919
know i i couldn't justify spending that

820
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:20,720
amount of money in one go to build

821
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,000
something nor could i really um sort of

822
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,720
um afford the investment week after week

823
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,960
to pay for it either or just you know

824
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,720
month after month and i think if you

825
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,159
were doing it in installments it was

826
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:34,159
going to take an incredibly long time

827
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,360
most of the time you'd probably just sit

828
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,840
on a shelf somewhere and gather dust and

829
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:40,080
then your motivation might go or

830
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,520
something else might be released in the

831
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,320
meantime which was better cheaper faster

832
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:46,880
to put up so like i say i think the

833
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,600
original concept was great but obviously

834
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,960
the things he described there in the

835
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,640
statement you know about the fact that

836
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,240
it was it was time conscious it was

837
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,960
labor conscious uh um but and they were

838
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:59,039
using it all up when the covey was on

839
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,640
and people won't do anything but then

840
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:02,720
when people go back to the normal lives

841
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,600
that free time um you know goes and

842
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,279
therefore they can't spend as much time

843
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,120
as they want to on it and it just falls

844
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:11,440
by the wayside so it's a shame the only

845
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,880
good thing about it is that it seems to

846
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,720
be picked up by somewhere in europe and

847
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,640
they're carrying on the brand if you

848
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:18,559
like and there'll be some information

849
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,240
that's available for people who have

850
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,240
invested in it to run with it and maybe

851
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,080
tweak it as well so hopefully it'll come

852
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,320
out in some other form in the future but

853
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,000
i think if anybody's going to do this in

854
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,240
future it needs to be a little bit more

855
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,640
affordable and it needs to be something

856
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,559
that if you're going to get in parts you

857
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,240
mean need to be able to do it quicker

858
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,480
and cheaper because otherwise it's going

859
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:40,480
to be still beyond people and beyond

860
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,799
their motivation and beyond what they

861
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,120
can grasp in one go

862
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,360
yeah avi loeb mentioned as part of a

863
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:50,159
galileo project at sky hub and i think

864
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,520
that would be a

865
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:53,600
as a as an organization that now has

866
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:55,279
some funding and also that are going out

867
00:30:59,510 --> 00:30:56,880
for public funding

868
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,520
a good way to invest small chunks and

869
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,600
get people on board especially people

870
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,279
who may already have

871
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,600
have sky hubs is that a way galileo

872
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,559
could utilize those existing sky hubs

873
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,640
that seems to be a good foundation for a

874
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,640
software and a platform already out

875
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,200
there that again they could maybe

876
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:17,200
use as part of project galileo and say

877
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,720
to people you know

878
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:20,799
again maybe more science or you know

879
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,120
people with that kind of money to invest

880
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:25,039
and depending on locations you know they

881
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,640
would even help fund putting one of

882
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,480
these together if there were certain

883
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,159
locations that they really felt would

884
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:33,039
benefit from having this skyhub

885
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,520
rather than you know is it a benefit for

886
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:37,840
again talking about the galileo project

887
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,960
of me andy having a skyhub on my house

888
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,159
for them

889
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,399
probably not it would just be pure luck

890
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,320
or random but are there certain

891
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,159
locations that maybe they do want to

892
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,080
focus on and it's a case of they would

893
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,080
reach out to organizations or people

894
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,360
within that vicinity and offer to fund

895
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:58,320
or part fund the skyhub um and you know

896
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,600
it would just be a case of you would be

897
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,679
like looking after it for them because

898
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,919
the location somewhere they they like

899
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:06,080
who knows but that's that's them just a

900
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,519
little bit of news on the sky hub but we

901
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,279
will keep you up to date as more comes

902
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,440
out with that in the future as well um

903
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:13,120
but they've done some good work and i

904
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,399
think they've laid a foundation there

905
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,760
for the future

906
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:18,080
moving on the next one was frank kendall

907
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,799
who is secretary of the us air force

908
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,159
made some comments that were

909
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,799
particularly interesting online quite a

910
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:26,799
few people picked up on these i've got

911
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:29,200
the statement here to read first

912
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,720
i've given a great deal of thought to

913
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:32,559
defending american airspace but not

914
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,600
against ufos if asked to do that then we

915
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:37,600
will do it this is a thing that's been

916
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,919
around for a great many years i know a

917
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:42,240
lot of people who take it very seriously

918
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,600
and i think we should take the

919
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,519
phenomenon seriously and try to

920
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:46,960
investigate it

921
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,039
i don't consider it an imminent threat

922
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,360
to the united states or the human race

923
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:53,360
these phenomena occurring but they

924
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:54,720
obviously tweak a lot of people's

925
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,760
curiosity and encourage speculation so

926
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,159
if we're asked to take on or take that

927
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,760
on we will

928
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:03,440
i would have to say evidence that it was

929
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:05,760
something worthy of the attention of the

930
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:08,399
air force as a threat our job is to

931
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,519
protect against threats i have a lot of

932
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,039
known threats out there that we're

933
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,799
working very hard to protect the us

934
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,279
against i'd like to focus on those so

935
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:19,440
that's frank kendall secretary of the us

936
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,640
air force i i get from his point of view

937
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,120
that he's looking at again we always use

938
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,279
the same generalizations don't we but

939
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,919
russia and china have drones

940
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,240
infiltrating us airspace and no doubt

941
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,080
the us have the same in those countries

942
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,399
as well and potentially other foreign

943
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:38,880
adversarial technology and they want to

944
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:42,559
focus on what they can deal with not the

945
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,519
rumors or murmurings or you know videos

946
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:47,440
that are these objects that they can't

947
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,799
really do anything about but these

948
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,640
objects don't really do anything to them

949
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:52,799
it seems either so

950
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:55,440
that more it's more of an observational

951
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:58,720
experience or entity than than a threat

952
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:01,039
so what are your thoughts on on someone

953
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,480
like frank kendall coming out with those

954
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,919
comments graham

955
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,679
it's a bit contradictory isn't it you

956
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,120
see if you look at the statement as a

957
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,520
whole the first bit sounds great it

958
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:11,280
almost like yes we're going to start

959
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,639
investigating ufos and we're going to

960
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,320
take it really seriously then you get

961
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:15,919
about halfway down

962
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,919
and then he starts backtracking a bit so

963
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,760
it's oh but we'll have to see evidence

964
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,040
that there's actually something here

965
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,800
otherwise we're not gonna you know if

966
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:24,320
it's not a threat then we're not really

967
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:26,079
gonna look at it uh because actually

968
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:27,679
that's our job we look at you we look

969
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:30,480
for threats um and i'm gonna focus on

970
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:34,159
them so in one hand he's saying yes um

971
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:37,040
ufos um you know if we're if we're asked

972
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,320
to have a look at them then we'll have

973
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:40,000
to investigate it because we should take

974
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,599
it seriously because a lot of the

975
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,679
american public takes it seriously and

976
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,960
then on the other hand he's saying yeah

977
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:46,000
we've got all these other things we

978
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,679
really need to concentrate on that

979
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:49,679
actually they're more important and i'm

980
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,240
i want to you know want to stick to them

981
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,200
so yeah anybody can really take anything

982
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,280
they like from that statement so people

983
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,200
who are interested in

984
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,280
the government or the air force

985
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:03,280
investigating ufos will take the bits

986
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,160
that say oh the the new secretary of the

987
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:09,040
u.s air force is said yes you know we'll

988
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,320
investigate them

989
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,760
if the people the people who are saying

990
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,760
look there's nothing to uap or they're

991
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,359
just drones etc all the chinese are

992
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,760
russian will say yeah but really he

993
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:19,359
wants to focus on the things that he

994
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:23,040
knows about rather than uap ufos so

995
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,119
there's a bit for everybody there but

996
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,720
actually at the end of the day there

997
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,200
doesn't really seem to be anything new

998
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,359
um i don't know what you think but

999
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,280
i can't see anything that definitely

1000
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,200
says we're going to do this we're going

1001
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,440
to do that there's a lot of words but he

1002
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,680
can't addict himself so

1003
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:41,040
who knows

1004
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,640
i yeah i i i'm with you on that i i do

1005
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,079
like the fact we've got someone

1006
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,880
representing the air force who's giving

1007
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:50,960
giving a statement that isn't just a

1008
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:53,599
dismissal of the subject or the

1009
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,640
potential of the subject and it leaves

1010
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,280
the door open i think for the us air

1011
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,440
force to get more involved i know it's

1012
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:03,280
very much been the navy that's taken the

1013
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,520
lead on that subject um and they are

1014
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:07,440
forced for for many different reasons

1015
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,040
and conspiracy theories and everything

1016
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,119
in between has always seemed to keep it

1017
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:12,480
at arm's length

1018
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:13,520
however

1019
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,880
maybe it's an invite or an open door to

1020
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,800
let's focus on what we have to focus on

1021
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:20,320
but you know

1022
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,920
maybe we should investigate it and if

1023
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,480
that means that a permanent uap task

1024
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,640
force is put in place that is going to

1025
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,240
investigate this on a full-time

1026
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,720
permanent basis then maybe they get more

1027
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:32,800
cooperation from their force down the

1028
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,520
line and that would be a good takeaway

1029
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,599
because what people have expected is

1030
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,520
everything to change overnight and i'll

1031
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:41,359
go back to some of those comments and

1032
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:43,839
the making contact conference he talks

1033
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,400
about that that things are changing but

1034
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:48,480
people have to be patient because there

1035
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:51,200
are processes and people that are

1036
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:52,800
dealing with these changes within

1037
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,760
government

1038
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,599
because and if i just use a very very

1039
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,760
small example just even think of outside

1040
00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:00,000
the government those journalists who

1041
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,359
have never had an interest in this

1042
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:03,760
subject who don't talk about ufos in any

1043
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:06,160
serious way having to turn up a white

1044
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,440
house press briefing and ask seriously

1045
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:11,920
essentially about ufos and they couldn't

1046
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,520
believe they were doing it that's

1047
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:15,599
probably going on all kinds of levels

1048
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,920
now within the halls of government and

1049
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,359
various different countries but you know

1050
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:21,200
we're talking about the us mainly here

1051
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:22,400
where they're looking going you know

1052
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:23,599
what

1053
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,079
we do have to talk about ufos and i

1054
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,320
imagine you get the flying saucers and

1055
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:30,480
aliens and little green men and

1056
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:32,000
and you'll have you'll get more and more

1057
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,280
people

1058
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,960
like your senators and congressmen and

1059
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:37,040
congresswomen coming out and going well

1060
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,040
do you know what actually i was in a

1061
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:42,160
briefing and such and such actually i

1062
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:43,200
spoke to

1063
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,000
to this gen or this you know this lady

1064
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,400
or i spoke to whoever

1065
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,079
and they seem to think there's something

1066
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,920
to it and it's just little bits at a

1067
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,280
time i think that are going to get more

1068
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,119
and more involved all kinds of levels

1069
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,839
and i think that's what lou elizondo is

1070
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,680
getting at that things will change but

1071
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,680
it's going to take time and that's where

1072
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,359
we just sort of have to keep keep

1073
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,599
banging the drum as much as we can and

1074
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,280
it's just making sure that people don't

1075
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,839
get too high or too low when we're

1076
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,680
waiting on different announcements and i

1077
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,200
think graham it was really important you

1078
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,000
mentioned that the upcoming

1079
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:19,200
um update report there's nothing to say

1080
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,320
that's going to be released to the

1081
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:22,640
public as far as i've seen and it very

1082
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,200
much is likely to be classified but we

1083
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,280
could only hope that we get some sort of

1084
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:29,280
of statement or update from the back of

1085
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:30,240
that

1086
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:34,320
they're talking about having um extra

1087
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,599
information in the report the things

1088
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,440
that haven't been included in the last

1089
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,200
90 days so they might even go further

1090
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,040
back once it gets going once it gets

1091
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,520
wrote these rolling 90-day reports i

1092
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,280
mean you were saying before about maybe

1093
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,960
breaking through that kind of stigma

1094
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:48,320
that obstacle about getting people

1095
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,560
talking in the media about yes it

1096
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:52,400
actually is all right to start asking

1097
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,760
questions of politicians about uap but

1098
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,200
also you're going to think inside the

1099
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,720
air force itself

1100
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:00,079
this sounds like they've had this

1101
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,040
culture over the last 75 odd years of

1102
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:05,280
just denying there's a problem and the

1103
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,800
you know the front facing the public

1104
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,800
facing side of the air force have just

1105
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,480
said look there's nothing to see here

1106
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,800
move on they even set a blue book

1107
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,960
basically just to as a sop for the

1108
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,119
public for them to send reports and they

1109
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,040
say look yeah this it's just venus or

1110
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,880
swamp gas you know all that those kind

1111
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,280
of things so you've got that obstacle to

1112
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,520
get across as well and yes okay it's all

1113
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:27,280
right for the secretary of the the the

1114
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,119
u.s air force the new one to say you

1115
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,119
know we'd like to investigate it but i

1116
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,839
bet in his organization the u.s air

1117
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,440
force there are a lot of people who

1118
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,760
would be very resistant to anything like

1119
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,440
this happening because it'll be a

1120
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,440
culture that's built built up over the

1121
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:43,280
years it's not just stigma it's just a

1122
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:44,880
culture of saying there's nothing to see

1123
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,160
here move on and that's the the big

1124
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,160
battle that will probably be happening

1125
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:52,720
in the next few years inside the u.s air

1126
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:55,760
force before any meaningful dialogue

1127
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,720
with outside agencies the uh task force

1128
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,440
being won or whatever it turns into

1129
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:02,960
and i'm sure that'll be something that

1130
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,359
that you know rumbles on over the next

1131
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,200
months and possibly years

1132
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,040
and i wonder if some of it is going to

1133
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,440
be the us air force having to

1134
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,599
kind of swallow its pride a little bit

1135
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,280
even from an internal point of view

1136
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,720
where it's always been the air force in

1137
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:19,040
the navy you kind of see that as i can

1138
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:20,720
back and forward between those two kind

1139
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,680
of giants within the us military but now

1140
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,680
you have the space force

1141
00:40:30,310 --> 00:40:27,680
who right now seems to be the the

1142
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,320
stepchild of the the us military the you

1143
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,160
know that isn't as popular the second

1144
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,000
cousin but

1145
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:36,240
we all keep hearing how space is that

1146
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:38,960
next frontier that wars are

1147
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,320
unfortunately are going to be fought

1148
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,720
over and there's already a race a space

1149
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,880
race again for getting satellites up

1150
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,560
there and different space stations and

1151
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,640
bases on the moon and not even talking

1152
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:51,119
about ufos and ets but

1153
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,640
that's probably something the air force

1154
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:53,920
is going to be looking at you know what

1155
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,800
we now have an even smaller area that

1156
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:58,240
we're in charge of where it used to be

1157
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:59,520
everything they were seen as so you know

1158
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,280
they'd be all an end all and i know some

1159
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,880
navy folk out there might disagree with

1160
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:04,720
that but they are forced always seem to

1161
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,359
be the kind of the one in charge whereas

1162
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,960
now you're going to have and especially

1163
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:11,280
if let's go back to uaps if these things

1164
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,640
are in the water

1165
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,920
and then they come out the water and

1166
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,760
they're in the air and then they they go

1167
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,520
from there up to space

1168
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:19,280
then it's sort of going to be all their

1169
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,400
problem

1170
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:22,160
and at some point they're all going to

1171
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,520
have to come together and talk about

1172
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,200
that and deal with it

1173
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:27,359
yeah that's true yeah you're right

1174
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,160
there's

1175
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:30,160
they've got a diminishing cake um you

1176
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,200
know a diminishing amount of

1177
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,599
responsibility in the air force and that

1178
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,040
will be another threat that they'll be

1179
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:36,960
seeing as a perceived slight towards

1180
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,839
them and especially if you know the uaps

1181
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:41,200
are hooked onto this kind of thing and

1182
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,240
we're saying well they're going to

1183
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:44,480
investigate it now um you know we're

1184
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,839
going to take it away from you because

1185
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,040
presumably that's what they are still

1186
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,040
doing so yeah there'll be a bit of

1187
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:51,119
rancour to do with that the the other

1188
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,720
like agency which you don't really hear

1189
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,079
much about in terms of you know you

1190
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,319
mentioned about the us navy the uh space

1191
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,480
force and air force there's also the u.s

1192
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,079
army because they have an aviation

1193
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,000
element as well they know they operate

1194
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,680
helicopters they do have some fixed-wing

1195
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,680
aircraft and nobody really knows what

1196
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,319
they see in terms of uh uap either they

1197
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,400
don't seem to get looking so i wonder if

1198
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:11,920
anybody it's worth actually trying to

1199
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,240
investigate you know what they see and

1200
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,400
what they report

1201
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,079
absolutely yeah so it's one to keep an

1202
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,240
eye on and hopefully the air force can

1203
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,240
get a little bit more involved because

1204
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,160
they must have some fascinating stuff

1205
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:26,800
classified in the vaults back there and

1206
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,200
speaking of vaults our our friend john

1207
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,359
greenwald over at the black vault has

1208
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:33,599
managed to unearth a little a little gem

1209
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:34,880
from the

1210
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:37,599
uap report to congress um

1211
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,319
executive summary back in from may 17th

1212
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:42,800
2021 so in the build up to the report

1213
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,520
being released in june there was an osd

1214
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,280
which is the office of the secretary of

1215
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,319
defense public affairs and briefing card

1216
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,640
sent out and it talks about

1217
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,960
ufo or uap interest remains high with

1218
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:57,119
the public and some talking points and

1219
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,599
top line messages that were given out to

1220
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,119
to basically keep online with the

1221
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:03,599
discussion and hear some of the points

1222
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:04,880
you should ha if you're being asked

1223
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,280
about it from that point of view uh top

1224
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:09,440
line messages and talking points where

1225
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,280
we are aware of the report requirement

1226
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,440
and the uap task force team is actively

1227
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,119
working with the office of the director

1228
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:17,359
of national intelligence on the report

1229
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,359
and uh

1230
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,440
from there you will see a bit of a theme

1231
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,599
where not a whole lot more gets answered

1232
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,599
graham does it it's uh we take reports

1233
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,359
of incursions into our airspace by any

1234
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,520
aircraft identified or unidentified very

1235
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,920
seriously and safety and security are of

1236
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,520
paramount concern

1237
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,839
and there's a little q a section which

1238
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:38,319
is typically um

1239
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,200
vague

1240
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,119
so but it's still a nice one to read so

1241
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,119
question has the department found any

1242
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,000
evidence of extraterrestrial technology

1243
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,839
answer the examinations and to

1244
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:50,160
incursions by uaps are still ongoing the

1245
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,599
department does not comment on

1246
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,359
intelligence matters

1247
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,280
if you want to be very generous you can

1248
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,359
look at that and go while they've not

1249
00:44:02,710 --> 00:43:59,760
said no they were never going to say yes

1250
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,720
or no anyway because potentially the

1251
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,480
people looking into this

1252
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,119
for example the tic-tacs maybe they

1253
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,520
don't know who or what is inside of them

1254
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,119
if anyone so when you say

1255
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,280
extraterrestrial they might not be but

1256
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,880
it doesn't mean they're human as as

1257
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,280
we're probably looking at is the case so

1258
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:20,000
um again from their question do you have

1259
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,680
any comment on the remarks made by john

1260
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,200
ratcliffe to fox news about the

1261
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,000
forthcoming report uh the answer is as

1262
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,200
he was the former dni and odni has the

1263
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,440
lead on the uap report i refer you to

1264
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:32,880
the office of the direct

1265
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,760
and such and such yes so um it was just

1266
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,200
a nice little thing to see that stuff

1267
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,200
was given out and i just love reading

1268
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,640
through this stuff to see official

1269
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,040
government documentation in any form

1270
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,760
reference uaps extraterrestrial just

1271
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,599
having that word on there and i think

1272
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,040
people should remember in the build-up

1273
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,880
to the report coming out i always

1274
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,160
thought you know i doubt we're going to

1275
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,319
see the word extraterrestrial but it's

1276
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,760
just nice to see it within this kind of

1277
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,359
additional information as well and to

1278
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:59,119
see that it was something they were

1279
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,720
aware was going to come up and the

1280
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:02,560
talking points as well

1281
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,599
graham

1282
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,359
just to round off what are you sort of

1283
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,920
expecting in the coming in the coming

1284
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,680
weeks with these updates

1285
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,200
to come out and let's even give a

1286
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,960
generous time frame as we're kinda

1287
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:14,400
getting into the last quarter of the

1288
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,119
year are we gonna get any more videos or

1289
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,960
big news drops before christmas do you

1290
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,920
think

1291
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,839
oh well if you know if i could tell you

1292
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:23,599
that i'll be just picking lottery

1293
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,640
numbers instead i'm afraid um it's it's

1294
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:28,240
one of those insurmountable kind of

1295
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:29,680
questions you just don't know what's

1296
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,880
going to come out there we were

1297
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:33,520
surprised back in december 2017 those

1298
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,920
came out in the blue so for anybody to

1299
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,440
really try and predict what's going to

1300
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:38,880
come out over the next you know two or

1301
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,359
three months whatever um you know

1302
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,359
you're hiding to nothing would like to

1303
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,440
think there would be but whether

1304
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,440
anything comes out of the the next you

1305
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:48,960
know the sort of the next report the

1306
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,079
90-day report is anybody's guess

1307
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,319
it they've said it's a it's a classified

1308
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,640
um a report that's going to go through

1309
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,720
but whether anything leaks out or

1310
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,160
whether there's anything that actually

1311
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,119
does appear um you know bolted onto that

1312
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,280
which you know they can release who

1313
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,839
knows but again it comes down to what

1314
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,319
jeremy corbell and other people have you

1315
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,319
know hidden away what they're working on

1316
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:13,760
what they're talking to people about

1317
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,960
whether they can get permission to

1318
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,319
release it for you know for whatever

1319
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:19,040
reason so really i'm afraid i just can't

1320
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,880
answer that question andy we just simply

1321
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,400
don't know i haven't even really heard

1322
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:24,800
of anything your whispers of anything

1323
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:25,920
either so

1324
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,480
um at the moment it sounds like nothing

1325
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,240
but you know that could change overnight

1326
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,480
we could literally have uh jeremy

1327
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,400
corbell coming out with his high noon

1328
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:36,079
sort of announcement tomorrow you know

1329
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:38,960
so so who knows i mean just going back

1330
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:41,839
to this um briefing card

1331
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,800
to me it was interesting because they

1332
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,880
you you could tell they keep tabs on the

1333
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,560
media because they mentioned at the

1334
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,640
start in the executive summary about you

1335
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,079
know the various spots that people like

1336
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,839
john ratcliffe have had and the 60

1337
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:56,240
minutes segment um so yeah you know that

1338
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,520
they're keeping tabs on everything

1339
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:59,040
that's going out there they wouldn't you

1340
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,400
know they would be derelict in their

1341
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,720
duty if they weren't but also the fact

1342
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:04,079
that you mentioned before there was a

1343
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,359
question about extraterrestrial

1344
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,200
technology and they actually don't

1345
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,440
answer the question

1346
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:11,040
mention other things but they don't

1347
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:13,040
answer the question at all but the thing

1348
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,400
that made me laugh was it was just

1349
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:15,920
obviously the redacted bits about who it

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was prepared by and i could have almost

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for the fact it says navy i could have

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also said i saw susan goth's name

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written there as well so

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i wouldn't i wouldn't be surprised if

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she had a hand in that

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no definitely not and you know what just

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again to finish off

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i

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am

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[Music]

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actually quietly optimistic and about

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people listening to this for a long time

1363
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,599
probably no i i try to remain optimistic

1364
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,079
that giving it as so quiet

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this for me is a time where hopefully

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the people that are on our side on this

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are in the background working on

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something

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that we're going to get

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i i think we're more likely now to get a

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really good new video without

1372
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a jeremy corbell hyping up announcements

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coming in the background

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that we might get something a little bit

1375
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better than we're kind we've had for the

1376
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last little while so

1377
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fingers crossed folks but that is pretty

1378
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much it for your news roundup for this

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week i'd like to thank you graeme for

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joining me

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thanks andy for the invite

1382
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,359
and game just once again what was the

1383
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:20,720
name of the book and how can people get

1384
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,359
a hold of it virtually or on ebook form

1385
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,880
by uh this evening

1386
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,559
okay so it should be out later tonight

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00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,720
on amazon as an e-book it's called ufos

1388
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,359
before roswell foo fighters in europe uh

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00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,160
europeans are european foo fighters 1940

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to 1944 so that's the full title uh but

1391
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if you just search for my name graeme

1392
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,839
rendell on amazon you should be able to

1393
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,680
find it and say it should be available

1394
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,280
very shortly it's just going through the

1395
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:45,040
review process on on amazon at the

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moment

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awesome that's great and that's good to

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hear and graham really does his work and

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put the effort into these as well so i

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look forward to reading that myself that

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is all for this week's show thank you

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very much for listening please remember

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00:49:27,810 --> 00:49:24,880
and again folks as always keep looking

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up you never know what you might see

1416
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,990
like alice face for the parliament

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effect the little [\h__\h] hovered right

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inside of my window when i shut down the

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screen he made it an issue i don't think

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[Music]

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i can't imagine how it could have been

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[Music]

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there was something on my head and

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00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,680
everything was weird and everything was

1425
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:29,359
red i helped out with my boys they

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00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:30,640
thought this was noise they thought it

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[Music]

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time consider serious space consider

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[Music]

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it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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saucer

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so

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[Music]

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thank you